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Jednak powłoki Canona to nie SMC...

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Robię w firmie scenicznej gdzie jestem wysokościowcem

No to wznosząc się nad ziemię powinieneś przyłożyć czasem do oka jakiś korpus słusznej marki i pokazać świat ... chciałem napisać z lotu ptaka, ale to jakoś dziwnie brzmi w tym kontekście-niech będzie z perspektywy żyrafy

| Pentax Z-1p | MX | FA*24/2.0 | FA 77/1.8 Ltd |
| Pentax 645n | FishEye 30/3.5 | FA645 45-85/4.5 | FA645 80-160/4.5 | FA645 200/4 | Voigtländer 6x9 |
| Pentax 67 | 6x7SMC 55/3.5 | 67SMC 105/2.4 |
| Contax G1 | Contax G2 | Biogon T* 28/2.8 | Planar T* 45/2.0 |
| Provia 100F | Provia 400F | HP5+ | TriX | Delta 100 | Waidodayo!

Cytat

I've had a K10D for three days and I've had a D80 for two months (also own a Nikon D2X and Sony Alpha A100).

I'm keeping the K10D and selling my D80 (as well as the Sony).


The K10D body feels noticeably more solidly constructed than the D80, and the Pentax's controls operate more smoothly to the touch. Both have excellent viewfinders with high brightness, contrast and magnification, but the Pentax seems a bit less cluttered visually. Pentax seems to have put a great deal of time and effort to producing a camera that "feels" well beyond of the price point. The D80, on the other hand, feels like it meets the price point.

The K10D has a number of really useful features that the D80 lacks, such as the excellent built in image stabilizer and sensor cleaning system. The Pentax is also weather and dust resistant (the D80 is not).

The K10D metering system has been very good so far. Nikon's matrix system (even in the simplified form found in the D80) used to be my standard, but the K10D doesn't appear to have anything to apologize for here.

I haven't had the opportunity yet to shoot a lot under a wide variety of conditions with the K10D, but preliminary results seem to show better tonal gradations and dynamic range than with the D80. As a reference point, the Nikon D2X used to be my best for smooth, nuanced tonal gradations, but my early impression is that the K10D actually beats it, and has a visually more extended dynamic range overall. The D2X looks a bit more compressed and flat than the K10D, so far. The D2X does seem to have a slightly more "pristine" quality to fine detail, with slightly less digital artifacting, but I need to shoot a lot more with the K10D to form a firm opinion in this regard.

The D80 has a shorter mirror blackout and seems to have slightly shorter shutter release lag (possibly a small advantage for capturing fast moving action).

Both cameras focus very quickly; the D80 is quieter when using the AF-S (ultrasonic) type lenses.

I personally find the D80's default color saturation setting to be too high, and trying to tame it by reducing this setting to -1 makes things look too dull to my eyes. Yes, the problem is alleviated by shooting RAW, but this should be an option, rather than necessity.

Contrary to some of the speculation on this thread, the Nikon 18-135 is remarkably sharp for a zoom, especially one with an extended range. It does suffer from above average geometric distortion, which may or may not be significant to you (it doesn't bother me at all for street shooting).

Nikon does have more zooms than Pentax, including some very expensive. large and heavy pro zooms that are among the best available. The Nikon 70-200 2.8, 28-70 2.8, and 17-35 2.8 are outstanding examples. Nikon's more recent consumer super zooms - the 18-200 and 18-135 - are actually amazingly good for the price and range of focal lengths. They cannot quite match the best zooms or primes for sharpness, but they get surprisingly close. They do exhibit more geometric distortion, more chromatic aberration, and they have significantly slower maximum apertures. The 18-200, in particular, is also softer in the corners.

Pentax has some of the best prime (single focal length) lenses available; their Limited Editions are among the best in the world for optical AND mechanical quality. The latter is increasingly forgotten in an era of modern plastics and looser tolerances. Pentax's "pancake" lens designs are extremely portable and inconspicious. I'm amazed at how good the 31mm 1.8 Pentax Ltd. (non-pancake) is on the K10D. So far, the 70 2.4 DA Ltd. (pancake) also seems like a top rank performer.

So, Nikon has a lot more current lenses, but which company has the lenses you actually need? You don't need 50 different lenses, you need a few that are a good match. Nikon doesn't have anything that matches the combination of optical and mechanical excellence, and portability, of the Pentax Limited primes, particularly in focal lengths and apertures that I personally find to be most useful. On the other hand, Nikon has an almost bewildering array of zooms that Pentax cannot come close to.

Which one to get? Well, if you can, try both cameras. There's a lot more to buying a camera than a specification sheet (where Pentax has a clear lead). Only you can tell which one feels better in your hands and becomes more transparent in use.

Also, only you can say what YOUR specific priorities are, given your preferences for subjects and settings. This will guide your choice of lenses. Our shooting needs and preferences may well differ significantly.

I do believe it's fair to say that Pentax hit a home run with the K10D; it's a remarkable camera by any measure, and even more so at the price point. Pentax engineers put a lot of heart and soul into this camera.

Hope this helps a little and have a happy Thanksgiving.

Tony

K-5, DA 12-24/4, FA 31/1.8 Ltd, FA 50/1.4, FA 77/1.8 Ltd, Metz 48, takie tam różne ...

Bronek napisał/a:

bo ma dluga helikoide (czy jak to lepiej powiedziec

W uproszczeniu: spiralkę

A po męsku zapewne: długi wysuw ...


tubusa.

Pozdrawiam, emigrant.

F100, SB80DX, SB30, N 20/2.8, N 50/1.8D, N 85/1.8D

K-5, DA 12-24/4, FA 31/1.8 Ltd, FA 50/1.4, FA 77/1.8 Ltd, Metz 48, takie tam różne ...

tref napisał/a:

dlatego boję się o d-xenony.

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Michu napisał/a:

Djack, trzeba było trochę zeskrobać z jednego i drugiego i np porównać piracką metodą na smakę lub kupić w tymże MM najtańszy mikroskop za 34.99PLN i przeprowadzić profesjonalne badania.

heheheh...dobre

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PiotrR napisał/a:

w fabrykach Pentaxa potrafią zrobić szkła bez SMC

| Pentax Z-1p | MX | FA*24/2.0 | FA 77/1.8 Ltd |
| Pentax 645n | FishEye 30/3.5 | FA645 45-85/4.5 | FA645 80-160/4.5 | FA645 200/4 | Voigtländer 6x9 |
| Pentax 67 | 6x7SMC 55/3.5 | 67SMC 105/2.4 |
| Contax G1 | Contax G2 | Biogon T* 28/2.8 | Planar T* 45/2.0 |
| Provia 100F | Provia 400F | HP5+ | TriX | Delta 100 | Waidodayo!

Michu napisał/a:

kupić w tymże MM najtańszy mikroskop za 34.99PLN

tref napisał/a:

Nie znam cen, jeśli będą takie same dla P i S-K to także można różnie wnioskować, niekoniecznie tak, że wszystkie mają SMC.

djack napisał/a:

Zawsze póżniej można go przerobić, do eksperymentów, a la Alkos.

Bedzie ciezko, ja ani troche nie przypominam mikroskopu

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alkos napisał/a:

Bedzie ciezko, ja ani troche nie przypominam mikroskopu

czy ja wiem? tak patrząc na Twojego avatara to jakieś obiektyw Ci z oka wystaje, więc może jak się Ci zaglądnie do ucha to zobaczy sie jakiś obraz

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